The Final Four Countdown
Hang Up and Listen
Joel Meyer
4.6 • 986 Ratings
🗓️ 31 March 2026
⏱️ 73 minutes
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Summary
Hosts Lindsay Gibbs and Ben Lindbergh discuss the maddest moment of March—from the UConn buzzer beater, to Women’s Final Four redux. Alex Kirshner rejoins for two interviews: the first with author and professor Seth Tannenbaum about the growing class divide inside baseball stadiums, the subject of his new book, Bleacher Seats and Luxury Suites: Democracy and Division at the Twentieth-Century Ballpark. The second with Nina Mandell about an Ohio gymnastics dynasty, chronicled in her book: A Fraction of a Point: A Gymnastics Dynasty on the Line.
Finally, Ben closes with an Afterball about the historic and cringey N64 video game Mia Hamm Soccer 64.
In this week’s bonus episode for Slate Plus members: the T-Rex hunting for a draft spot in the NFL.
March Madness: (6:37): Duke’s demise
Bleacher Seats (26:32): The haves and the have-nots
Fraction of a Point (42:42): The gymnastics world beaters
Afterballs (57:49): Mia Hamm Soccer 64
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| 0:00.0 | Well, hello. It's Tuesday, March 31st, 2026. Welcome back to Hang Up and Listen, the Slate Sports podcast. I am Ben Lindberg, senior editor at the Ringer, and host of Effectively Wild, the longest running baseball podcasts, as far as I know. Not as long |
| 0:22.0 | running as Hang Up and Listen, though. And today we'll be bringing you more of that time-honored, |
| 0:27.0 | wide-ranging hang-up and listening you hopefully love. Much as Tiger Woods has a new mugshot, |
| 0:32.7 | we have a new show with three main segments. First, America is in mourning. Down goes Duke. UConn's comeback, upset |
| 0:41.6 | victory over the Blue Devils on Sunday cemented the men's final four and actually gave us an |
| 0:46.4 | upset to discuss. So we will. The women's side of the bracket, less surprisingly, features Yukon, too. |
| 0:52.8 | In fact, it features all four number one seeds and all four |
| 0:56.0 | finalists from last year's tournament, so we'll examine whether that's a good thing. And then we'll |
| 1:00.7 | bring you two conversations with the authors of a pair of fine books published this month. First, |
| 1:06.4 | Seth Tannenbaum, an assistant professor of sports studies at Manhattanville University, joins us to talk |
| 1:12.3 | about the longstanding and increasing stratification of the spectator experience at baseball |
| 1:17.4 | stadiums, a subject he explores in his book, Bleacher Seats and Luxury Suites, Democracy |
| 1:23.1 | and Division at the 20th Century ballpark. Then Nina Mandel joins us for a floor routine on |
| 1:28.8 | a fraction of a point, a gymnastics dynasty on the line. Her book, about a dynastic for decades |
| 1:34.8 | high school gymnastics squad in Ohio that makes the Dodgers enduring dominance seem short-lived. |
| 1:40.7 | And finally, I'll be offering an afterball in which I will be blending two of my great |
| 1:45.0 | loves, sports and video games. As we've already established, I am not Alex Kirshner, a contributing |
| 1:50.7 | writer for Slate and co-host of the College Football Podcast Split Zone duo. Alex remains on his |
| 1:55.9 | honeymoon, where he's listening from afar, or not. Hopefully, he's happily unplugged for the duration of his |
| 2:02.2 | trip. Our podcast will keep until he gets home, which he will in time to rejoin us next week. |
| 2:07.6 | But he will also join us on most of this episode through the miracle of podcast pre-taping. |
| 2:13.8 | So stay tuned to hear his dulcet tones soon. And speaking of dulcet tones with me as always is Lindsay Gibbs, women's sports lead at CBS Sports, author of PowerPlays and co-host of Burn It All Down. Lindsay, you have been very busy with women's basketball, which makes you a perfect podcast correspondent today. Are you maintaining your sanity amid the |
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