The Fight Over Gay Characters in Public Schools
The Political Orphanage
Andrew Heaton
4.9 • 1000 Ratings
🗓️ 8 October 2025
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
In Mahmoud v. Taylor the Supreme Court affirmed parents rights to remove their children from LGBTQ material used in public schools.
The Court ruled that opt-outs preserve separation of church and state, and protect parental rights.
The Dissent maintains that exposure is not the same thing as indoctrination, and opt-outs are at best going to be an administrative nightmare, at worst a religious veto on acceptable content.
Anastasia Boden of PLF joins to discuss.
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| 0:00.0 | Okay, here's the situation. Your child is a third grader and it's story hour. And you, for our purposes, |
| 0:08.9 | are a very traditional religious person. During story hour, the teacher, nice lady, pulls out a |
| 0:15.6 | children's book and proceeds to read a story about a little girl who realizes that she's a little boy and how supportive |
| 0:23.1 | the family isn't coming to terms of this realization. You, being very religious, interpret this as |
| 0:31.1 | an affront to God's divine order and the creation of male and females. It is contravened to your cosmic and spiritual |
| 0:40.0 | worldview. So you tell the school, moving forward, when the teacher reads something like this |
| 0:45.8 | that is opposed to our religious beliefs, I would like my child to leave the classroom. |
| 0:51.4 | I want to be in charge of explaining genders and transgender issues. |
| 0:54.8 | I don't want the school doing that. But the school says no. And the case makes its way all the way |
| 1:00.5 | up to the Supreme Court of whether or not you can opt out. How should the court rule? On my end, |
| 1:08.5 | I don't like schools indoctrinating children in general, regardless of what the doctrine is that they're indoctrinating them, whether that is Christian religious doctrine in a public school or progressive doctrine on the coasts. |
| 1:22.6 | I don't want schools to operate as a way to fix the beliefs of parents and point the children towards a |
| 1:30.7 | particular opinion. I don't like that in general. And I am deferential to parents. So in this |
| 1:37.8 | case, I would want the ruling to be in favor of the parents opting out if that's what they |
| 1:42.1 | want it. But of course, what you want the law to be |
| 1:45.7 | and what the law is are not the same thing, particularly when we get into constitutional law. |
| 1:51.7 | The job of the Supreme Court is not to wisely craft opinions on what we all ought to do, |
| 1:58.6 | where what the law ought to be, their job is to interpret the Constitution |
| 2:01.5 | as it stands. So what would your, if you agree with me, by the way, if you're with me so far, |
| 2:07.1 | what would your constitutional argument be for allowing parents to opt their children out of |
| 2:12.3 | public school education? What right would you be citing within the Constitution to allow them |
| 2:16.8 | to do that? |
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