To understand today's guest and our conversation, first, I need you to listen to the voice of Elon Musk.

I'm not saying I have all the answers here.

This is Musk back in April of 2022, when he had just started his quest to take over the company formerly known as Twitter.

And he gave this interview with the head of TED Talks Chris Anderson. Anderson asked how

Musk, a self-described free speech absolutist, would handle hate speech on the platform.

It won't be perfect, but I think we wanted to really have speeches as free as reasonably

possible. And a good sign as to whether there is free speech is someone

you don't like allowed to say something you don't like. It's damn annoying. That is a sign of a healthy

functioning free speech situation.

And you probably heard a bit about what happened after Elon started running the show.

He reportedly brought back accounts that were banned for hate speech, that the company allows the spread of tweets containing content that is racist,

homophobic, neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic,

especially from the new people paying $8 a month

for so-called blue check status.

And when you hear a news report that explains these things, citing research, it most likely

came from Imran Ahmed.

And today, we're going to tell you his story, because Elon Musk is suing him and the organization he founded, the Center for Countering Digital Hate.

Which is an organization that studies hate speech and disinformation online and tries to create costs for the production and distribution of that hate and disinformation to sort of disinformation online, and tries to create costs for the production and

distribution of that hate and disinformation to sort of disincentivise its spread.

This is the man in the middle of the misinformation wars.

We'll talk to him about his twin battles with Elon Musk and House Republicans who accuse him of censorship,

how he deals with the growing body of political partisans, skeptical of his work, and what it all

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