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On Being with Krista Tippett

“The Fierce Urgency of Now” — Michelle Alexander and Lucas Johnson

On Being with Krista Tippett

On Being Studios

Sociology, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality, Krista Tippett, Arts, Culture, On Being, Society, Society & Culture, Science, Social Sciences

4.710.2K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2026

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

From Krista: On April 4, 1967, Martin Luther King Jr. gave a speech at Riverside Church in New York City called “A Time to Break Silence.” This is often referred to as his “Beyond Vietnam” Speech. His own allies criticized it as a risky departure from a focus on civil rights. But Dr. King had never seen his calling confined to those two words. The Vietnam War needed to end, he believed, and he needed to say that plain. And in the waging of this war — and all of its consequences for people at home, especially the poor — he saw an underlying crisis that threatened the very soul of our nation. On that same date this year, the 59th anniversary of this speech, hundreds gathered again at Riverside for reflection, song, and a reading of portions of the speech. It was drafted by Dr. King’s friend and comrade Vincent Harding, a beloved former On Being guest, and many of his friends and family joined this year. None of the words of this speech is as famous as the sentence “I have a dream.” This speech altogether gives voice to the less remembered and heeded evolution of the vision of Dr. King and Vincent Harding and others. It invokes the work that endures beyond leaders and events of the day, and that can be neglected at our peril if too many of us too narrowly focus our imaginations and creativity and callings on what transfixes and demoralizes in the moment. It calls for a “revolution of values” in the face of glaring contrasts of poverty and wealth and the human cost of a world order that settles differences with wars. That our world is broken, it tells us, should come as no surprise. There were deep moral and spiritual underpinnings to the events of 59 years ago, which we did not acknowledge, much less have risen to as a nation. A line from this speech seems directly aimed at our ears and our hearts: “We are now faced with the fact, my friends, that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now.” What are the callings now, finally, for us to pick up in creating the world we want to inhabit in the beyond of this moment of great peril and an equal magnitude of possibility? This is a conversation with two human beings who loved Vincent Harding and whom he loved and formed: Michelle Alexander and Lucas Johnson.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

0:11.0

Thank you. On April 4, 1967, Martin Luther King, Jr. gave a speech at Riverside Church in New York City titled A Time to Break Silence.

0:36.7

This is often referred to as his Beyond Vietnam speech.

0:40.8

His own allies railed against it as a risky departure from a focus on civil rights.

0:47.2

But Dr. King had never seen his calling confined to those two words,

0:52.1

and his vision never stopped evolving.

0:55.6

The Vietnam War needed to end, he believed, and he needed to say that plain.

1:00.8

And in the waging of this war, and all of its consequences for people at home, especially the American poor,

1:08.2

he saw an underlying crisis that threatened the very soul of our nation.

1:16.1

On that same date this year, the 59th anniversary of this speech, hundreds gathered again

1:22.6

at Riverside for reflection, song, and a reading of portions of the speech. It was drafted by Dr. King's

1:30.0

friend and comrade Vincent Harding, a beloved former on-being guest, and many of his friends

1:36.3

and family joined us. The exquisite saxophone that you're hearing now, the musician Langston Hughes

1:42.7

the second, playing Dr. King's favorite hymn, led into the conversation you're hearing now, the musician Langston Hughes II, playing Dr. King's favorite hymn,

1:46.1

led into the conversation you're about to hear between me and Michelle Alexander and Lucas Johnson.

1:52.9

If you're so inclined, you'll find links to listen or read the speech in full in the show notes.

1:59.0

You don't need to read them to wonder and reflect along with

2:02.3

Lucas and Michelle about this speech's very direct resonance for us now in our world of wars

2:08.9

and our country with a soul that feels endangered, I believe, wherever you sit along the spectrum of

2:15.7

our divides. I gave a long introduction up top as we began our conversation at Riverside,

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