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The Federalist Society, part 3: The Spoils

5-4

Prologue Projects

News Commentary, News, Government

4.63.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 February 2024

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist. He learned it from the Federalist Society, by watching them steadily shift the terms on which all contemporary legal issues are argued. Now even progressive jurists feel compelled to debate the debate club on its own turf. The Devil is duly impressed.


For more about what Fed Soc hath wrought, check out Amanda Hollis-Brusky's Ideas with Consequences: The Federalist Society and the Conservative Counterrevolution (Oxford University Press, 2019).


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5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. Rachel Ward is our producer. Leon Neyfakh and Andrew Parsons provide editorial support. This episode was fact-checked by Arielle Swedback. Our researcher is Jonathan DeBruin, and our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.


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0:00.0

This special 5 to 4 series is brought to you by People's Parity Project,

0:04.2

organizing to UnFuck the Law since 2018.

0:07.6

You should know, I'm the single largest donor to the Federalist Society.

0:12.4

Oh, yeah. What do they do? Something with books? the largest donor to the Federalist Society.

0:12.5

Oh, yeah?

0:13.5

What do they do? Something with books?

0:15.0

They control the courts.

0:17.0

Selecting judges all the way up to the Supreme Court

0:20.0

with the President's blessing. Hey everyone, this isn't Leon from fiasco and prologue projects.

0:30.0

It's Rachel, I produce the show Leon's out this week.

0:32.0

On this episode of 5-4, Peter, Rheannon, and It's out this week.

0:32.5

On this episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Rianen, and Michael

0:35.5

are bringing you the third installment

0:37.2

of their four-part series on the Federalist Society.

0:40.1

This week, they're talking about what Fedsock

0:42.1

has achieved over the past four decades.

0:44.4

Because it's not just the fun lunches and the great guest speakers and the easy to use clerkship pipeline.

0:50.4

It's not even just the defeat of Rovi Wade or the deadly reframing of gun ownership as an individual right.

0:57.0

As you'll hear, Fedsock has accomplished something even more profound.

1:00.0

By championing legal doctrines like originalism, the organization has shifted the way we talk about the Constitution entirely,

1:08.0

to the point where even liberal or progressive jurists now use Fedsock-approved justifications to frame their arguments.

1:15.6

This is 5-4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court and the Federalist Society

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