Lemonada.

This is Sarah Stewart-Holland.

This is Beth Silvers.

You're listening to Pants Soup Politics.

We here at Pantsuit Politics are still feeling very caught up with Minnesota, Venezuela, Iran.

We're absorbing the news that the Department of Justice is threatening.

Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell with criminal charges.

That is all on our minds today. And we are thinking about what we can do best in this moment,

because we're not reporters. We have the best conversations when we're able to rely on the work

of lots of other people, when we see what reporters and journalists have uneartheded and then we can bring our own processing and analysis to it and we're still just learning

a lot about what happened to Renee good about the kind of training that ICE officers are receiving

about policies and procedures there's just a lot still coming out. The information environment is very fluid and

evolving. And so we have given you our initial take in Friday's episode from last week. We're going to

come back with a more considered take this Friday. But we really felt like the best thing we could do

right now is give this a few days so that when we

talk about it again, we are speaking with the most robust set of facts in front of us that we

can.

Something I've been thinking a lot about is our current media environment, our current

political environment that centers emotions and attention. And that's relevant,

but I really want to find a way to ground myself in facts, in truth, and in broader concrete realities. And a person that I have been looking to a lot to think

through this type of new way of being is Liz Oatfield. I met Elizabeth Oudfield this fall

on a common ground pilgrimage trip to England.

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