The Fear of Loneliness
Out There
Willow Belden
4.6 • 608 Ratings
🗓️ 9 October 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
Julie Censullo has a rule: When someone invites her to do something, she always says yes. It's her way of staving off loneliness.
But when aquaintances suggested a four-day canoe trip in the Boundary Waters, she started second guessing herself. This was way outside her comfort zone. In the weeks leading up to the trip, she was so anxious she was hardly sleeping.
On this episode, Julie takes us to the Minnesota wilderness and explores what happens when you ignore your personal boundaries — just to make friends.
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| 0:00.0 | Hub and spoke. Audio Collective. |
| 0:05.0 | It's September of 2024, and Julie Sinsulo is driving north from Minneapolis with some friends. |
| 0:20.0 | They're listening to Good Luck Babe by Chapel Rhone on the radio. |
| 0:24.2 | But Julie isn't really listening. |
| 0:27.1 | Instead, she's sitting in the back seat, drenched in nervous sweat, |
| 0:31.8 | and quietly Googling things that can go wrong in the Boundary Waters. |
| 0:37.3 | The Boundary Waters. |
| 0:42.7 | The Boundary Waters is a huge expanse of wilderness in northern Minnesota and Canada. |
| 0:45.6 | It's made up of more than a thousand different lakes. |
| 0:50.0 | And when I say it's wilderness, I mean wilderness. |
| 0:56.8 | There are no roads, limited cell service, and to get around, you mostly have to use a canoe or kayak. |
| 1:02.0 | Julie and her friends Jeff and Emily are on their way to a four-day camping trip in the wilderness. |
| 1:06.4 | And Julie is feeling apprehensive, to say the least. |
| 1:09.3 | What are you guys most excited about for the Boundary Waters? |
| 1:19.7 | I am excited to just be out in the wilderness and kind of disconnect from the world and not have any technology and look at beautiful nature things. |
| 1:21.7 | Doesn't that scare you? |
| 1:22.8 | No. |
| 1:27.2 | That's what I'm most afraid of is being disconnected. |
| 1:31.6 | Jeff, what are you most excited about for the Boundary Waters? |
| 1:35.9 | Yeah, it's just exciting and fun and relaxing. |
| 1:40.1 | All you need is like a tent and a meal that you're good. |
| 1:43.3 | Why is that appealing to you? |
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