The FBI, Part Deux
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 28 June 2021
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
In this second half of David Kris's two-part discussion with FBI historian John Fox, David and John continue their whirlwind tour of the Bureau, focused on its use of wiretap evidence, SIGINT and other intelligence. In the last episode, they worked their way from the FBI's founding through the era of prohibition and gangsters, World War II and part of the Cold War, including the prosecution of DOJ official Judith Coplon based on information from NSA's Project VENONA. In this episode, they move forward through the FBI's more recent history to cover abuses revealed in the 1970s, the terrorist attacks of 9/11, as well as some present-day issues.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:33.9 | I think the church committee totals it up in 1970, early 1970s we were at like 37,000 open |
| 0:42.1 | cases. By 1977 I think we were down to like 46. You know, it's a couple dozen. There was |
| 0:52.1 | a radical change in that and that was a shift from looking at subversion to looking at |
| 0:58.4 | a criminal act. And so we were going after the domestic terrorist, you know, SLA kidnaps |
| 1:04.5 | Patty Hearst, you know, whether underground is bombing places. We're looking at these |
| 1:09.7 | groups. Not we're looking at them because you know the radicals, we're looking at them |
| 1:14.5 | because they're leaving explosives around where people can get hurt. |
| 1:18.6 | I'm David Chris and this is the LawFair podcast June 28, 2021. Today's podcast is the second |
| 1:25.4 | half of a two part discussion with FBI historian John Foxx. It continues our whirlwind tour |
| 1:31.4 | of the bureau focused on its use of wiretap evidence, sigant and other intelligence. |
| 1:37.8 | In our last episode which aired on June 23, John and I worked our way from the FBI's |
| 1:42.8 | founding through the era of prohibition and gangsters World War II and part of the Cold War, |
| 1:48.6 | including the prosecution of DOJ official Judith Kaplan based on information from NSA's |
| 1:53.9 | project, Vannona. Attentive listeners will recall that Vannona was itself the topic of |
| 1:58.8 | a prior historical podcast. In today's episode, we move forward through the FBI's more recent |
| 2:04.9 | history to cover abuses revealed in the 1970s. The terrorist attacks of September 11, |
| 2:11.0 | 2001, as well as some present day issues. And in the larger frame, today's podcast is |
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