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I'm Richard Porter. I'm Johnny Smith. And this is Smith and Sniff, a podcast to which two friends

talk about cars and many other things. Oh gosh, you know, I'm doing something unusual here.

I've had, I'm having a red wine chaser after a coffee. What?

Yeah, because, well, I thought we owe it to our listeners to admit that we're doing a night

a night time podcast, which is unusual for us. The less a spotted evening recording, yeah.

It's good that you put that context on it, so people don't think that you've started on,

like you've just opened a bottle of Shiraz at 9am. Oh no, I'm not, I'm not mad.

I'm mad, me, I'm mad. Oh no, it's, it's night. It's, it's Smith and Sniff after dark.

Adem. I'm not drinking because I'm in sole charge of my children and this is also why I'm sitting

in my office where at home, I'd normally sit in the spare room because it's a, it's a more damped

room because it's got carpet and things in it and a bed. And my office is very echoey.

So I have put the ironing board on my desk and then slung the spare room, do they over it to create

a sort of rudimentary recording booth. But do you look like a, and now I nearly said natureist,

I meant naturalist, I still get those things wrong. Sorry. I made like a Steve Backshore, not a

wrong one in the lack of an escort van exposing himself, you know what I mean, don't you?

There's a very sort of hide like nature hide vibe to it. Have I told you about when I met Steve

Backshore? No, I like Steve. Well, I've never met him. I've got no idea what he's really like,

but I reckon he's brilliant. What is he? I've never met him either, but I was a thing as a book

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