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Some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice. From what I've tasted of desire,

I hold with those who favor fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough

of hate to know that for a destruction, ice is also great and would suffice. We don't

know exactly how the country is going to collapse when it will collapse, if it will collapse

at all. There's a big debate on the right right now about whether we're in late imperial

Rome, late Republican Rome. Maybe we're not in Rome at all. One of the clearest, most

profound essays I have read on this topic came from my friend, Mike Anton, lecturer in politics

and research fellow at the Hillsdale College's Kirby Center in DC. Mike is the author of the

stakes. Mike served on the National Security Council staff under President Donald Trump.

He's done lots of interesting things. Mike is going to clarify for us, I hope. Exactly

what is going to happen next in American politics. Thank you for being here.

Thank you. Unfortunately, the clarity that I can offer is the clarity of saying we don't

know. I am a dabler, more than a dabler in these historical comparisons we all have.

In fact, some of the criticisms or commentaries on the article have been, oh, there he goes

again, talking, you know, it's that done-to-death Rome comparison. But I felt it had to be summarized

precisely because it is so done-to-death and so dominant. We had to acknowledge that, look,

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