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🗓️ 18 October 2021
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December 31, 1987. Wichita, Kansas. Mary Fager walked into her house and found the body of her husband so she had a neighbor call 911. When police arrived they found the bodies of Mary's husband and two daughters. They had been brutally murdered, Phillip was shot and Sherri and Kelli had been drowned in the family’s hot tub. The contractor, Bill Butterworth, was missing as was the family's vehicle. Bill would be traced to another state and apprehended. He claimed to have no real memories of that day or any idea how he ended up in Florida. Join us as we discuss a bizarre case that shocked a community.
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0:30.0 | How are you doing tonight, Erne? |
0:41.0 | I'm doing good, Justin. How are you? |
0:43.5 | I'm okay. |
0:45.0 | Well, we do have some things to talk about at the beginning before we get into the episode. |
0:50.0 | I want to start by saying, Justin, I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the passing of a wonderful woman, Carol Messner. |
0:57.0 | She was a platform for those who needed support in her community. She never gave up. She touched the lives of many people. |
1:04.0 | She was very much into unsolved mysteries, anything true crime, and never said no to a bowl of popcorn. She will be missed. |
1:12.0 | We have some birthdays too, right? |
1:14.0 | There's definitely one. We want to give a shout out to Caitlin. So happy 36th, Caitlin, and thank you for the support. |
1:21.0 | And last but definitely not least, if you're in Des Moines, Iowa on the 23rd, this is next Saturday. |
1:28.0 | I will be at Zombie Burger from 3 to 5, and Black sheep speak easy at 8 p.m. |
1:36.0 | I'll be hanging out with Lauren from Paradise After Dark and Kelly from True Crime, IRL. Come join us. |
1:43.0 | We have an update about the Zodiac case, which always sparks my interest because I still to this day wonder whether or not he actually exists and or committed all the crimes they say he committed. |
2:00.0 | So what's going on with that? |
2:02.0 | Well, there's a cold case group. They claim that they've identified the actual identity of the Zodiac killer. They're called casebreakers, yeah. |
2:14.0 | Everyone is now passing a story around saying that this is it. They found him. And it seems like one of the primary reasons they've identified this guy as the Zodiac is because of scars on his forehead. |
2:30.0 | That sort of remind them of the lines that are on the forehead in the sketch of the Zodiac killer. |
2:38.0 | Yeah, I was looking at that. I couldn't even tell if there were scars or just wrinkles or what, but yeah. |
2:43.0 | That was my exact thought. Anyway, this guy named we'll just call him Gary because I'm not sure I feel comfortable naming him at this point. |
2:54.0 | But yeah, this group says this is the Zodiac killer, but I would say put the breaks on it for now. One thing I notice when I went out to Twitter is all of the Zodiac killer experts that are out there, the ones that live and breed this case, they're all slamming this identification as bogus. |
3:15.0 | Well, I don't know if they've released all of their evidence or reasons why they're pointing the finger at him, but if it's just lines on a forehead, that's not enough. |
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