Hello, Hard Fork Listeners. We hope you're having a great week. We're going to be really

honest with you. We have nothing left to give. We are spent. We're exhausted and we're taking the

danged week off. Yeah, we are on vacation this week for our spring break, but we are not leaving

you empty-handed. Because we would never do that to you.

We wanted to share an episode of the Ezra Klein show with you. A little artisanal podcast you may have

heard about it. If you haven't heard of Ezra Klein, he's an up-and-coming interviewer, policy, wonk,

and friend of humanity. And he has a podcast, they'll knock your socks off.

And recently, he was joined by Jack Clark, a co-founder of Anthropic and its current head of

policy.

In fact, after this episode was published, it was announced that Jack would be leading

something called the Anthropic Institute, which will draw on research from across Anthropic to,

quote, provide information that other researchers and the public can use during our transition

to a world containing much more powerful AI systems. So how's that for ominous?

Yeah, and Jack is a great thinker and talker. He writes the great newsletter Import AI. He's also a former journalist. Many are calling him the only former journalist who's ever made a good career decision. And he and Ezra had a great in-depth conversation about all of what's going on in the economy right now, the rise of AI agents and coding tools, the future of work, basically

just a lot of things that we thought our listeners would be interested in hearing more about.

Jack also has a sonorous British accent that I think you will find to be incredible company

as you go for a run or do your laundry today.

Yeah. It's amazing how just having a British accent adds like 15 IQ points.

It's very soothing, which is important when you're talking about existential threats to humanity.

So here's Ezra and Jack. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode.

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