Welcome back to the podcast, bribes, swindle, or steel.

I'm Alexandra Rogge, and today we're revisiting ESG, environmental, social, and governance

considerations as the field expands and begins to receive the attention it probably should have before now.

My guest is Ariel Meyerstein.

Ariel has a doctorate in jurisprudence and social policy and serves as senior vice president

sustainability and ESG at City, where he provides advice and strategic vision on human rights,

climate change, and other sustainability risk management. Arielle, thanks so much for joining me.

My pleasure to be here. Climate change and human rights were beginning to gain momentum on the global

stage leading up to the pandemic last year. How do you expect ESG to evolve as a priority, really

both for the private and public sectors, during the

recovery from this COVID-19 period?

It's going to be seen in lots of ways.

We've already seen with the new Biden administration a tremendous focus on climate risk and

managing climate across the board as a top U.S. national security and

economic interest. It's created a number of new governance structures within the U.S.

government and obviously a lot of initiatives to stimulate the economy from a green growth

perspective. Biden said as a nominee often that

when he thinks climate, he thinks jobs. So I think we've already seen that begin to play out.

Obviously, similar things are happening in Europe with their green stimulus efforts.

So I think there's a tremendous amount of potential for green stimulus investments all across the board. We know that certain

banks in Europe, the European Investment Bank is wanting to buy a lot of green debt. There's a lot of

developments afoot that focus squarely on resilience and climate from an investment angle. And I think also we're seeing increased attention

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