Welcome to Gateway Church's podcast. Wherever you're tuning in from, we hope you're encouraged by today's message.

We are in a series called Jesus B.C. I kind of held the idea of that until the end of the message last week.

And that is obviously Jesus before Christ. And that doesn't make very much sense. But as we're seeing, Jesus was actually there involved.

He was present in the Old Testament much more than maybe we have previously thought or anticipated.

So we're going to continue on in that this week. I do need to make one other comment to you.

Last week I talked about my fear that I've never heard of an old Josh.

So I thought maybe we had an expiration date. Maybe all Josh's died young. I'm not sure.

I've already made it past Jesus' age and his name is a derivative of the name Joshua. So I'm feeling kind of good about that.

And then I got like a million messages from you all, all pointing out that you found an old Josh.

I'm not trying to call him out. It's Josh McDowell though. I'll just say it.

But I won't actually say his age because this is what I was trying to avoid. You did this to me.

You all emailed me about Josh McDowell. I won't actually say his age. He's 82 years old. But anyways, this is the thing is though.

You actually proved my point. Good for you. You found one old Josh in the world.

Not one person sent me a name other than Josh McDowell. So way to go. You found one old Josh.

He beat the odds and we're all really proud of him way to go.

He will never see this. So it doesn't matter.

No, that's great. So keep sending me old Josh as if you can find them. Challenge accepted.

But so far, you guys are not doing so great. You've won one.

So I believe that this person that we looked at in the Old Testament, who ate lunch with Abraham, who talked with him,

who was described as a man, yet also described as God. I believe this was Jesus.

You could describe him as a son of man, and yet still be the son of God, this perfectly describes Jesus.

And today, the instances that we're going to see in the Bible, he shows up in a different form,

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