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Decoder with Nilay Patel

The executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation on government surveillance, Elon Musk, and free speech

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Business, Technology

4.23.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Cindy Cohn is the executive Director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, or EFF. If you’re an internet user of a certain age like me, you know the EFF as the premiere civil liberties group for the internet. The EFF has fought pitched battles against things like government surveillance, digital rights management for music and movies, and government speech regulations that would violate the First Amendment. These fights were important, and shaped the internet as we know it today. Links Electronic Frontier Foundation How to fix the Internet: Podcast by the EFF How the EU is fighting tech giants with Margrethe Vestager Apple pushes back on iPhone order, says FBI is seeking ‘dangerous power' Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features are so controversial Viacom vs YouTube Texas passes law that bans kicking people off social media based on ‘viewpoint’ Santa Clara Principles Carterfone Decoder interview with YouTube chief product officer Neal Mohan Computer Fraud and Abuse Act Facebook v. Power Ventures Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/22805290 Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today’s episode was produced by Creighton DeSimone and Jackie McDermott and it was edited by Callie Wright. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Our Sr Audio Director is Andrew Marino and our Executive Producer is Eleanor Donovan.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I think that the holidays feel like frozen noses. I love walking with the dog for long periods of time.

0:10.0

Hopefully it's snowing and you've got to wrap up warm. So I think a frozen nose is

0:13.6

then sweaty armpits because like you're wrapped up so warm but then you're climbing hamps

0:17.9

and heath and you get to the top and you're like and then you can see the breath

0:21.6

but then your nose is still freezing to touch.

0:25.0

Joy in every zip with red carp now back at Starbucks. Between forgetting the sellotape,

0:31.6

trying to squeeze eight people around a six-seater table and the cat taking down the tree.

0:36.0

Again! Christmas can be tricky. At least with royal mail,

0:42.1

sending parcels is easy. You can save time and money when you buy your postage online

0:46.4

and we'll collect from you door for zero pounds. Whether you have one, two or twenty to send,

0:51.5

just click save and we'll collect. Visit royalmail.com forward slash send. Simple,

0:58.0

offer in 31st of December full details online.

1:02.0

Hello and welcome to decoder. I'm Neil Aipatel, editor and chief of the Verge,

1:05.8

and decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems.

1:10.0

Today my guest is Cindy Cohen, the executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation

1:14.7

or EFF. Now if you're an internet user of a certain age like me, you know the EFF as the

1:21.2

premier civil liberties group from the internet. In the early days of the internet the EFF

1:25.9

fought pitched battles against things like government surveillance, digital rights management

1:30.3

for music and movies, and speech regulations that would violate the first amendment.

1:34.7

Those fights were important and they shaped the internet as we know it today.

1:38.8

But now the EFF is 32 years old and a lot of those controversies aren't really about the

1:44.0

government anymore. Private platform companies at Twitter and Apple and Google have an enormous

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