The executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation on government surveillance, Elon Musk, and free speech
Decoder with Nilay Patel
Vox Media Podcast Network
4.2 • 3.4K Ratings
🗓️ 26 April 2022
⏱️ 49 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | I think that the holidays feel like frozen noses. I love walking with the dog for long periods of time. |
| 0:10.0 | Hopefully it's snowing and you've got to wrap up warm. So I think a frozen nose is |
| 0:13.6 | then sweaty armpits because like you're wrapped up so warm but then you're climbing hamps |
| 0:17.9 | and heath and you get to the top and you're like and then you can see the breath |
| 0:21.6 | but then your nose is still freezing to touch. |
| 0:25.0 | Joy in every zip with red carp now back at Starbucks. Between forgetting the sellotape, |
| 0:31.6 | trying to squeeze eight people around a six-seater table and the cat taking down the tree. |
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| 1:02.0 | Hello and welcome to decoder. I'm Neil Aipatel, editor and chief of the Verge, |
| 1:05.8 | and decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. |
| 1:10.0 | Today my guest is Cindy Cohen, the executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation |
| 1:14.7 | or EFF. Now if you're an internet user of a certain age like me, you know the EFF as the |
| 1:21.2 | premier civil liberties group from the internet. In the early days of the internet the EFF |
| 1:25.9 | fought pitched battles against things like government surveillance, digital rights management |
| 1:30.3 | for music and movies, and speech regulations that would violate the first amendment. |
| 1:34.7 | Those fights were important and they shaped the internet as we know it today. |
| 1:38.8 | But now the EFF is 32 years old and a lot of those controversies aren't really about the |
| 1:44.0 | government anymore. Private platform companies at Twitter and Apple and Google have an enormous |
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