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Brussels Playbook Podcast

The EU’s envoy to Ukraine on war, resilience — and Nordic walking

Brussels Playbook Podcast

POLITICO

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.4204 Ratings

🗓️ 20 February 2026

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

An air raid siren sounded as we were wrapping up our interview with the EU’s ambassador in Kyiv. On this week’s EU Confidential, Sarah Wheaton speaks with Katarína Mathernová about what it means to live — and work — in a city under near-constant Russian threat. From bombardments, freezing temperatures and winter blackouts to EU accession hopes, we ask how Ukraine is holding up as another February anniversary of the full-scale Russian invasion approaches. Later, Sarah is joined by POLITICO’s defense editor Jan Cienski to unpack a debate gaining momentum across Europe: whether the continent needs to rethink its ultimate deterrent as long-held security assumptions begin to shift. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:11.2

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0:15.0

When a siren goes off in Kiev, people don't exactly freak out or even react all that much at all. They pause.

0:24.3

They assess. And then, sometimes, depending, they carry on. At the very end of my conversation

0:32.5

this week with the EU's ambassador to Ukraine, Katerina Materva, an air raid alarm began to sound outside her office.

0:41.9

She acknowledged it calmly and kept speaking.

0:46.2

She seemed more worried about the audio quality than anything else.

0:50.4

That tells you something about how people in Ukraine now live through this war.

0:55.1

This winter, people in Kiev have been enduring freezing temperatures while Russia targets energy infrastructure.

1:01.7

That means apartments without heat. Rolling blackouts. Families sleeping in one room, sometimes setting up tents indoors, just to keep warm.

1:12.7

And yet daily life continues.

1:14.9

Diplomatic work continues.

1:16.9

Political decisions continue.

1:18.7

The conversation about Ukraine's future continues, including EU membership.

1:24.9

As we approach another anniversary of the full-scale invasion next week, we wanted to understand these things better.

1:32.1

What does daily life in Kiev actually look like right now?

1:36.0

How resilient is Ukrainian morale?

1:38.7

What would peace talks mean from Keeves' perspective?

1:43.9

I'm Sarah Wheaton, host of EU Confidential.

1:48.0

Later in the episode, we'll turn to another debate, one shaped partly by Russia's war in Ukraine

1:53.6

and partly by growing uncertainty about the United States' long-term commitment to Europe.

1:59.1

It gained fresh urgency at the Munich Security Conference last weekend,

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