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The Ether Machine: How ETH Becomes the Internet’s Reserve Currency | Andrew Keys & David Merin

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4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 July 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Andrew Keys and David Merin join us to unveil the Ether Machine—a bold new strategy to make ETH the internet’s reserve currency.  We unpack their ambitious plan to acquire and actively manage hundreds of thousands of ETH, why they believe ETH is more than just a treasury asset, and how institutional capital can finally understand and tap into Ethereum’s full potential. From staking and restaking to DeFi yield generation and Wall Street education, this episode explores why Ether is not just digital oil—it’s the engine of the next internet. ------ 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24  https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🪙FRAX | SELF SUFFICIENT DeFi https://bankless.cc/Frax  🦄UNISWAP | SWAP ON UNICHAIN https://bankless.cc/unichain  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  🟠BINANCE | THE WORLDS #1 CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://bankless.cc/binance 🦎COINGECKO API | REAL-TIME CRYPTO PRICE & MARKET DATA https://bankless.cc/coingecko ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 1:32 How Much Ether? 4:57 Other ETH Treasuries 9:41 Ether Machine 12:46 ETH vs BTC 17:27 Ether Machine DeFi Strategy 21:14 Explaining ETH to Wall Street 26:01 How Big is ETH? 28:14 ETH ETFs vs Ether Machine 37:13 Andrew’s Journey 40:54 Gensler’s SEC Era 43:30 Michael Saylor of ETH? 49:29 Decentralization Worries 52:09 ETH’s Narrative Problem 56:47 The Institutional Cycle 1:00:41 Closing ------ RESOURCES The Ether Machine https://x.com/TheEtherMachine  https://ethermachine.com/  Andrew Keys https://x.com/ak_ethermachine  David Merin https://x.com/dfmerin  ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

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0:00.0

What is ether?

0:01.0

Ether is the commodity to the future of the internet.

0:08.0

Ether is the fuel for every computational step necessary to process a transaction on the future

0:16.7

of the internet.

0:17.7

Bankless Nation, very excited to introduce you to our next guest. We have Andrew Keys. We have Dave Marin of the Ether Machine. How are you guys doing? We're great. Thanks for having us on. Thanks. Before we proceed, I would like to first remind everyone that this podcast may contain forward-looking statements, including but not limited to the Ether Machine and Dynamics, expectations or predictions of financial as the completion of the proposed transaction between parties, operational performance, including but not limited to the timing of development milestones, business and operational strategies, competitive and industry outlook, and the timing and completion of transaction. Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, and they're not guaranteed performance. I encourage you to read the previously disclosed press release issued on July 21st,

0:54.4

2025, and Dynamics is filing with the SEC for discussion of the risks that can affect the business combination, either machine's business, and the business business, and the business machine are under no obligation and expressly disclaim any obligation to update alter otherwise revise any forward-looking statements, whether the result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. In addition, these remarks are neither an offer to purchase

0:51.9

nor solicitation of an offer to sell, subscribe,

0:53.6

or buy any securities, or the solicitation of any vote.

0:55.3

In connection, I as required by law. In addition, these remarks are neither an offer to purchase nor solicitation of an offer to

1:11.4

subscribe or buy any securities or the solicitation of any vote.

1:13.8

In connection with proposed business combination, Dynamics and Ether Machine intend to file a registration statement on Form S4, contain a proxy statement and prospectus with the SEC, which you should read carefully and in its entirety when it becomes available because it will contain important information. Dynamics that each machine and their respective directors and officers may be deemed participants in solicitation of proxies of dynamics and shareholders in connection with

1:09.3

business combination.

1:10.0

More detail information about each company's directors and executive officers and their interests

1:12.3

in the business combination will be described in the form s4 when it becomes available how are you guys starting on what's what how much ether do you guys have right now so we're anchoring this with uh 169,984 which is basically the amount of validators divided by 32 of mine. And we are going from there. Okay. Yeah, I think the press release announced the plan to that current prices to be more than 400,000 either. More than 400,000 either. Is square one, base number one for you guys? Day zero. And how do you get there? How do you get from the, did you say 169? Okay. Yeah, 169,000. How do you get to 400,000? Is that net new like purchasing coming in? So that's a great question and I think that this is a key

2:18.1

differentiating point. We've seen others say that they own X ether, but with an asterisk,

2:25.9

that that's a in the money call option. And we are not going to be employing in the money call options for our exposure.

2:37.4

What is it in the money call option?

2:38.7

So basically one buys a call for ether to that it's basically above a certain price

2:46.5

at a certain date and they basically take the cash amount of that delta and they consider that ether exposure.

2:55.9

But because we believe ether is a productive asset and we are going to be generating our

3:03.1

alpha actively managing that for public market investors, in the money call options, leave

3:11.3

yield on the table. And if you were to consider this like a, like the ether ETF is like a stock

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