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Mea Culpa

The Epstein Curse Refuses to Die + A Conversation with Michael Wolff (Originally Aired 7/17/25)

Mea Culpa

Michael Cohen

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Today on Mea Culpa, I’m revisiting a powerful conversation with author Michael Wolff, the only journalist who spent more than 100 hours interviewing Jeffrey Epstein before his death. With the newly passed transparency bill and fresh batches of Epstein emails released, including correspondence involving Wolff himself, this interview hits differently. We dig into the dark, transactional relationship between Donald Trump and Epstein, what Wolff learned firsthand, and why Trump has fought so aggressively to keep these files buried. Thanks to our sponsor: True Classics: You can find them at Amazon, Target, Costco, and Sam’s Club, or head to https://TrueClassic.com/COHEN Subscribe to Michael's Substack: https://therealmichaelcohen.substack.com/ Subscribe to Michael's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheMichaelCohenShow Join us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PoliticalBeatdown Add the Mea Culpa podcast feed: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen Add the Political Beatdown podcast feed: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

0:03.0

Not much to it is there?

0:06.0

Unless of course it's a Walker's sandwich.

0:09.0

Mmm, that is good.

0:13.0

Now that's what Asani should sound like.

0:15.0

Go all crisp in with walkers.

0:18.0

Delicious.

0:20.0

This is my meaoka Oh baby don't laugh with Walters. Delicious. Thanksgiving has always struck me as one of America's great paradoxes. On the surface,

0:41.3

it's a day built around gratitude, an intentional pause, a collective breath, a reminder that even

0:49.3

in turbulent times, we can gather, reconnect, and acknowledge what we still have. But beneath that, Thanksgiving

0:57.1

has always carried another function. It's the one day when the truth, and I mean real truth,

1:02.6

tends to slip out. Families sit together, walls come down, old stories resurface, and suddenly,

1:10.1

the things nobody wanted to talk about

1:12.1

become the only things anyone can talk about. I lived enough life, made enough mistakes,

1:18.8

and interrogated enough powerful people to know this. Sooner or later, truth demands its moment.

1:26.4

And that's why today's episode feels so fitting for this holiday.

1:30.3

It's not light. It's not simple. And it's not wrapped in a neat patriotic bow.

1:36.3

But it is honest because weeks ago, long before the newest batch of documents and leaks and whispered testimonies, I sat down with

1:45.6

journalist Michael Wolfe for a conversation that I knew at the time mattered, but I didn't

1:51.1

realize just how sharply it would align with everything breaking now.

1:56.3

You'd have one of those moments where something you said, something you tried to warn about, suddenly

2:01.7

take shape right in front of you? That's what listening back to this episode felt like. Michael

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