All right. Welcome listeners to episode 108 of No Year Enemy. I'm Matt Sitman, your podcast co-host,

and I'm here as always with my great friend Sam other bell. Hey, Sam. Hi, Matt. How are you doing today?

I'm good. It's January 19th, so it's the day before Donald Trump's re-inaguration.

Well, I have to say, it's been a dark and dreary day in Rome. So this is kind of like

transatlantic weather-based sympathy with what you're all enduring. It's dark and gloomy here.

But the podcast is pressing on. We have a lot of great episodes lined up that we're very excited about.

We won't talk about them yet.

But we're here to introduce one. We recorded just a few days ago, and it was a conversation with

our friend Eric Baker. Listeners might remember him from our bomb power episode on Gary Will's.

Eric just came out with a new book called Make Your Own Job, How the Entrepreneurial Work Ethic

Exhausted America. He's also a lecture in the History of Science at Harvard University.

His writings appeared all over the place, The Drift, N Plus One, Harper's the New Yorker, and he's

also an associate editor at The Drift. So Eric was a great guest. We loved his book.

Yeah. You can tell from the title,

this is a book about Americans' relationship to work, and in particular, the entrepreneurial idea, this idea of the ideal worker as well as the ideal manager as someone who is

creative and innovative and disruptive, who loves their work, who loves their own job.

And in many cases, as the title suggests, makes their own job. So it's all the kind of workplace

career self-help nostrums about believing in yourself and that's how you are successful in the

American economy, making your

job be something that reflects your true self and your personality and all these ideas that

we might think of as basically just sort of like self-evident good advice in the American economy,

but actually have this really fascinating history and genealogy in the 20th century, which

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