The Enshittification of the Internet (with Cory Doctorow)
Offline with Jon Favreau
Crooked Media
4.7 • 2.3K Ratings
🗓️ 17 January 2026
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
Journalist, blogger, and science fiction writer Cory Doctorow stops by the studio to talk to Jon about “enshittification,” his theory that explains how, sometime over the last decade, everything online became substantially worse. The two discuss how tech companies lure in, trap, and then extract as much capital as possible from users; how that process played out at Facebook and Amazon; and what it would take — from a Democratic-led FTC and Congress — to reverse the trend before it’s supercharged by AI.
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| 1:24.6 | One day Mark Zuckerberg arises from his sarcophagus and he says,arken unto me, brothers and sisters, for I have had a vision. |
| 1:31.1 | I know that I told you that your future would consist of arguing with your most racist uncle, |
| 1:35.4 | using the primitive text interface I created in my Harvard dorm room to non-consensually rate the fuckability of undergraduates. |
| 1:41.0 | However, the real truth is that I'm going to convert you and everyone you love |
| 1:45.2 | into a legless, sexless, low polygon, heavily surreal cartoon character so that I can imprison you |
| 1:49.8 | in a virtual world I stole from a 25-year-old satirical cyberpunk novel that I call the Metaverse. |
| 1:55.2 | And that's the final stage, right? The giant pile of shit. |
| 2:03.8 | I'm John Favro, and you just heard from today's guest, journalist, blogger, and |
| 2:07.7 | science fiction writer, Corey Doctro. |
| 2:10.3 | Corey sat down with me to talk about inshittification, a term he coined to describe a process |
| 2:14.6 | that we're all unfortunately too familiar with. The idea that everything |
| 2:18.3 | online, sometime over the last decade, has become substantially worse. Nazis on Twitter, |
| 2:24.3 | AI slop on Facebook, shopping on Amazon, influencer-sponsored supplements on Instagram, etc, etc, |
| 2:30.4 | etc. Corey put together a phenomenal book where he lays out his theory of inshittification, |
| 2:35.4 | that platforms attract users and businesses with unsustainable incentives, trap them, and then |
| 2:41.0 | extract as much capital from them as possible, making the experience on those platforms |
| 2:46.1 | shittier and shittier and shittier. You should absolutely check out the book. |
| 2:50.3 | Corey lays out how this process |
| 2:51.6 | has happened to Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, even the iPhone, and lays out a theory of what we can do about it. |
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