Hello friends, happy Friday. I hope your day is treating you well. Today we are talking

with Chi Chi Agorum. Chi Chi is a lifelong student of what it means to be fully human. She's

a certified anyogram teacher and practitioner in the narrative tradition and holds a master

of arts and clinical mental health counseling and a postmaster certificate and marriage

and family therapy. She's the author of the upcoming book, The Anyogram for Black

Liberation, available for pre-order now. Chi Chi, welcome to the show. I'm so excited

you're here. Thank you for having me. I'm very excited to be here.

Yay. So as you know, we start every episode with Rose, but in Thorn, what are yours today?

My Rose is that I am feeling, I'm finally feeling better. I've been sick over the last

couple of weeks and I feel more like myself today, which is wonderful. Oh, yeah. I love

that. Okay. So I feel like whenever I get sick, I don't realize how good it feels to

not be sick until I kind of start, it's like spring comes. Yes. I was thinking about

that earlier this week, actually, because I mean, it was last week. I didn't, if you

had asked me in the first few days of being sick, if I felt, I don't know, sad or depressed

or whatever, you know, and even those words feel more intense than I would have described.

I would have just said, I don't feel good. I just feel fatigued. I need to lay down.

But then when I started feeling better, I had this moment where I felt so happy and it

was such a stark contrast to the last few days that I was like, whoa, was that depressed?

Because this feels like I just took drugs. I feel so, I was dancing around my apartment.

I felt so happy and I wouldn't have identified that that was so missing, you know, in the

days where I was feeling really bad. But yeah. Yeah, it's almost like, I don't know about

you. Like when I'm sick, it's like, almost like I just don't want to be in my body.

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