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excludes plug-in hybrids, Delantis Financial Services. For a lot of these people, there were simply no hope whatever in England, and in America, daunting as it was, scary as it was, they believe that there would be a small amount of hope, at least.

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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast.

I'm Rob Atar, the editor of BBC History

Magazine. For today's episode, we've been joined by the historian and TV producer James Evans,

who is the author of a new book entitled Emigrants, Why the English Sailed to the New World.

The book seeks to explain why several hundred thousand people

departed England for the Americas in the 17th century

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