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Hello and welcome to the TIFO Football Podcast

I'm John McKenzie and oh me, oh my.

Look who it is.

You're like a boss.

You come along twice at once.

Hello and welcome to the TIFO football podcast.

I'm Joe Devine and I'm joined by John McKenzie.

You're like an alligator in the sense that I'm afraid of you.

That doesn't work as a bit. It doesn't. No. Push on though. Push on. Let's let us push on because today you have actually done the recording. You're actually taking your finger out, put a little bit of effort in for the podcast and had an interview with someone quite interesting. Not only did I take my finger out, but I put it right on the pulse, John. Put it right on the pulse, the zeitgeist of the nation. The question that everyone in the nation is asking right now at a point that's maybe as far away as possible from any international major tournament. It's about the England team. And I was joined today by James

Graham, who was the writer of Dear England, a play that's on in the West End in London at the

moment, and is all about Garris Southgate, the England team, and the cultural revolution

which took place across the course of kind of three-chaptered tournaments, starting in Russia,

2018, ending in Qatar.

Well, there's plenty we could say, but I think the most important thing for us to do now

is to just go straight to that interview right now.

I think we've got some things that we want to talk about after that.

But let's, without further ado, get straight across to James Graham.

James, can you tell me about the cultural revolution that took place under Gareth Southgate?

Which seems like a sort of big way of describing it, doesn't it?

But that's what you're playing. No, but I think you're right.

I think obviously, I think the England football team and the the whole

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