The Energy Molecule High Performers Are Quietly Using
Muscle Intelligence
Ben Pakulski
4.7 • 761 Ratings
🗓️ 1 June 2026
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Summary
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Functional medicine Dr. Scott Sherr joins Ben Pakulski to break down methylene blue — the 100-year-old compound that's become one of Ben's favorite tools for energy, focus, and endurance. Dr. Sherr explains how it reboots mitochondrial function in days (not months), how one endurance athlete he coaches cut three hours off a 100-mile race, and how to dose it safely. Plus the warning most people never hear: why the majority of methylene blue sold online is contaminated, and what to look for in a clean source.
In this episode…
→ The bottleneck behind almost everything (energy, brain, recovery, fat loss)
→ The four complexes of your electron transport chain, and where most men are blocked
→ Why statins might be quietly trashing the system you're trying to optimize
→ Which molecule does "ninja moves" for mitochondrial dysfunction
→ The exact dosing protocol Scott uses for performance, travel, sauna, and endurance
About Dr. Sherr
Dr. Scott Sherr is a board-certified Internal Medicine physician and one of the leading clinical voices on methylene blue and mitochondrial medicine. He is certified to practice Health Optimization Medicine (HOMe) — a root-cause framework he helped bring to the U.S. as founder of HOMe-SF, the country's first HOMe clinic — and is a specialist in Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT).
He is the COO of Troscriptions (the precision-dosed troche company behind Just Blue, Tro+ Blue, and Blue Cannatine) and its parent, Smarter Not Harder, as well as COO of the nonprofit Health Optimization Medicine and Practice (HOMe/HOPe) USA, which trains doctors to detect and correct the root causes of health. He is also co-founder of OneBase Health, an integrative HBOT ecosystem. He has consulted for Upgrade Labs, Remedy Place, and other wellness ventures, and lives in Louisville, CO with his wife and four kids.
Key credentials
- Board-Certified Internal Medicine Physician
- Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) specialist
- COO, Troscriptions / Smarter Not Harder
- COO, Health Optimization Medicine & Practice (HOMe/HOPe) USA
- Co-Founder, OneBase Health
Connect with Dr. Sherr
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drscottsherr/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drsherr
Website: https://drscottsherr.com/
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Muslim Intelligence Podcast. Today we're going to dive |
| 0:03.4 | into this amazing biohacking and longevity compound called Methylene Blue, and I went to the source himself, a good friend of mine, Mr. Dr. Scott Sherr, thanks for being here, buddy. I went through a lot of school, through a lot of school for that doctor, Ben. Don't forget it, okay. Damn right, you did, man. You know, Scott, as I grew older, and I spend an enormous, as you can imagine, |
| 0:24.6 | an enormous amount of my time learning, studying, and trying to be at the tip of the spear in |
| 0:28.3 | my craft. |
| 0:29.4 | My level of appreciation for anyone he went through, literally any level of post-secondary |
| 0:33.7 | education, has grown. |
| 0:36.0 | Because, you know, while I'm not the biggest fan of the |
| 0:38.6 | linear learning models used in conventional schools, I see the value. And you're someone, the thing I |
| 0:45.1 | respect most, or one of the things I respect most about you is that you follow the linear |
| 0:49.1 | model and you accomplish success there, the highest level of success in that model. And you've been able to break free of the linear model. Because one of the things you see in a lot of these researchers, doctor-type people, is if it's not in the research, they want nothing to do with it. I think that's this dogmatic, you know, the irony of it is they're the most dogmatic people in the world. It's like, oh, it's not, the randomized control trials that we're not going to, I'm like, hold on a minute, man. Like, if you're somebody who truly pushes the envelope of performance and truly wants to push the envelope of anything in the human system, you have to use their randomized control trials as a starting ground, not as an end of ground. Yep. And I love and appreciate that so much about you because you've done it. You understand all the randomized control trials and you're still willing to go, yeah, but contextually, I don't think it applies there. I think it applies here. So just like expanding the horizons of your intellect instead of being dogmatic, man. So I appreciate you coming back. It's been my pleasure to be your friend for a while, Ben, and be on that cutting edge because I grew up, I think you know this, the son of a very crazy chiropractor. And so my dad has been, he's still practicing on Long Island. His name is Dr. Allen, sure. And so I grew up very out of the box, so very unique in the capacity that most conventional doctors only start looking outside of the box once something happens to them or and the conventional |
| 2:02.0 | medicine can't help them or something happens to one of their family members and then their |
| 2:05.4 | family members are not well treated by the conventional system and then like oh I need to |
| 2:09.7 | figure out what to do with this person or my family member or whatever myself and so most of the docs |
| 2:15.0 | that you find in my world have followed those kinds of past. But I'm pretty unique. And like basically I've been in a kind of a weird, weird algorithm of how to do all this together since I was a kid. And now over the years it's sort of just culminated in that, you know? And so then I don't mind being on the cutting edge. I just, I'm always understanding |
| 2:34.2 | that there's, there's got to be a physiologic plausibility for things. And there has to be a safety aspect. And then over time, as you get clinical experience, and you can expand and expand. And that's, like, a big thing with, with methylene blue specifically, because even in the beginning for me, I was pretty skeptical when we first started using it back in 2019, 2020 in our own clinical practices. |
| 2:53.8 | And then, but from there, I've just, you know, I was pretty skeptical when we first started using it back in 2019, 2020 in our own clinical practices. |
| 2:53.8 | And then, but from there, I've just, you know, gotten significant amounts of more interest and more experience with it now that I just know that we have a lot of power with this particular compound. |
| 3:04.4 | I want to double click on the outside the box thing. |
| 3:07.0 | You said your dad was outside the box. And you said, I I think you sort of play in, you know, one foot outside the box and one foot's inside the box. Most likely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what does that, what does that mean that your dad as a chiropractor lives a little outside the box? Well, chiropractors are like your OG alternative medicine doctors. Like they're like your everything that you couldn't do as a conventional doctor like chiropractors would try to do on some level, right? |
| 3:30.0 | It depended on the chiropractor, you know, my dad, back in the 80s was taking people off of dairy and milk and their allergies, their asthma, their depression and anxiety were going away. |
| 3:39.0 | Wow. Right. And he's also had a very large autistic population in his practice for many years. |
| 3:44.3 | And so I've seen how changing their diet, changing their lifestyle, did massive things |
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