This is Australian True Crime International with Michelle Lorry, and welcome to episode two of

this special double feature. I hope you've listened to episode one already with Jim Cosgrove.

He was the childhood friend of a missing man. In this episode, we're going to talk to clairvoyant

Carol Williams.

Jim was actually there during the conversation, but he didn't get much in because Carol and I both love a chat.

This is Australian true crime.

We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is created,

the Wurundri Woi Wurong people of the Kulin Nation.

And a warning, this episode of the podcast contains graphic descriptions of violence.

I can pick up other people's energy.

I don't read their minds, but I can tell.

And if I get close enough for a start to talk,

I can sometimes see things about them,

this going on in their lives.

And at one point, I really tried to dial back.

I got to the point where if I passed you in the grocery store,

I'd say, oh, check you're right rear tire before you get you. And it got to the point where if I passed you in the grocery store, I'd say, oh, check you're right rear tire before you get, you know. And it got to the point where just making me, it was making me nuts. I think everyone, number one, has the ability. Everybody I've ever met has had days of food. And they think, boy, I've heard this before. I've been in this room.

I've talked to that.

I know what they're going to say.

I mean, that has happened to so many, many people.

And I think everybody, depending upon the personality and the mindset, I'm a meditator.

I enjoy gathering with groups of people that do psychometry and telepathy and astrology.

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