I'm Gitter Harry and we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day from what we should believe in all the speculation about potential Labour leadership challenges to whether reform will really put migrant detention centres in parts of the country that vote green. Joining me at two of the finest minds from the Times and the Sunday Times, Carol Lewis. Hello, Carol. Hi there. How are you this bank holiday? Oh, I'm good. I'm good. I'm glad to be here, actually. Ready for action. And Seb Payne. Hello, Seb. Hello, Guta. How are you? No bank holidays for you? No, no, not at all.

But I'm sad not to physically be with you in the studio just from the nice comfort of my living room instead.

Ah, well, thank you for joining us on the bank holiday.

Let's start with you, said, because you've written, well, there's a leader in today's times.

I don't know if you've seen it, but it the question is the French economy overwhelmed by too many bank holidays we have two bank holidays this month that's apparently nothing compared to what they have in France who have four long weekends in May what do you think um I don't think we have too many bank holidays. I mean,

I remember when one of the May Day ones was introduced, there's this clip that's being on Twitter

of The Daily Mirror that time was fulminating against it, saying this was lazy, feckless Brits

who shouldn't be relaxing with their beer in the garden and should be working hard to try and get

the economy going and whenever it was introduced in the I think 60s or 70s. But I think to be

honest, given the fact that so many people's working days now expand well over your classic five days,

I don't have a problem with bank holidays. And as I said, if you work at a newspaper, which print

six days a week, then you still have to end up working bank holidays anyway. I said if you work at a newspaper which print six days a week then you

still have to end up working bank holidays anyway so the luxury for me is being at home even if I'm

still thinking about politics and the news and all the rest of it what do you think how should we

be more European or more like the Americans oh not definitely not more like the

Americans but I would be for us moving a few of these from spring, summer to autumn, winter, to live, and winter's difficult.

And I feel two in May, that's quite a lot. We can move one of those to November.

Is it even such a big thing now? Because, you know, a lot of people only go into the office for two or three days a week.

And I know they're not supposedly at

least, you know, time off the rest of it, but it is easier to do some of those things that you

could only do with a bank holiday before. I think the worry is that we end up being half in,

half out. You're not quite off, but you are expected to reply to emails and, you know, whatever.

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