The end of the human internet
The Gray Area with Sean Illing
Vox Media Podcast Network
4.5 • 11.1K Ratings
🗓️ 26 June 2026
⏱️ 45 minutes
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| 0:05.0 | Do you have a pet? According to a study from a pet insurance company from a few years ago, every six seconds a pet owner in the U.S. gets hit with a vet bill over $1,000, and it's almost always an unwelcome surprise. |
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| 0:51.6 | Canva is a simple online tool thing. It's a way to design with our magic AI tool things. |
| 0:58.1 | You can social media your thing, generate images or videos of your thing, make decks for presentations to show your thing. |
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| 1:12.0 | Canva, the thing that makes anything a thing. |
| 1:15.5 | This is a gray area. I am Sean Elling. My guest today is Charlie Warzel. He's a staff writer at |
| 1:21.1 | The Atlantic and the author of their newsletter, Galaxy Brain. Charlie wrote a piece about AI and what he calls a crisis of agency, |
| 1:29.8 | which is this feeling that so much of our lives online are being shaped and distorted by |
| 1:35.2 | bots, algorithms, and various AI generated content. Everything feels a little fake, a little |
| 1:42.3 | manipulated. If you spend any time at all online, you know what I'm talking about. |
| 1:46.3 | So we get into why the internet feels so strange right now and whether it's still possible to build spaces online that feel genuinely human. |
| 1:55.0 | Hope you enjoy it. |
| 1:59.0 | Charlie Worsell, welcome back to the show. |
| 2:02.5 | Thank you for having me. |
| 2:04.0 | Yeah, man, it's been a while. |
| 2:05.7 | Let's talk about your recent piece in The Atlantic, right? |
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