Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask. Someone that has sex. Someone that has sex. Right. And remember,

it's just between us.

Hello and welcome back to this special history extra end of Roman Britain podcast series.

This is episode six and I am David Musgrave.

This time around I'm talking to Professor Robin Fleming of Boston College, Massachusetts.

Robin is a historian, so she's coming at the topic from a slightly different angle

from some of our previous guests who are archaeologists.

However, her recent book, The Material Fall of Roman Britain,

which was published in 2021,

looks very much at the archaeological evidence,

so I was super keen to chat to her.

I dive straight in and ask Robin where she stands on the question

of whether there was a collapse at the start of the fifth century?

Yes and no. I mean, things did change. I think there is certainly a collapse of material culture that happens at the tail end of the 4th century in the early 5th century. We don't

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