So if an AV is provably 50 times safer than a human being, do you think we should allow human beings to draft?

Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is On with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

Today, I'm talking about applied artificial intelligence with Dara Kasrahi, the CEO of Uber.

While a company that's known mostly for ride chairs and food delivery may not seem like an

obvious AI pioneer, the truth is almost

everything Uber does is powered by AI. I've known Dara for years. In fact, I was the first one to tell

him he got the CEO job at Uber. And since then, he steered the company through tough times

and into profitability, and now he's leading the charge as they move aggressively into autonomous

vehicles.

Uber has partnered with almost every global AV company in the world,

and although the transition will take decades, Dara expects that eventually all Ubers and potentially all cars will be driven by software.

I want to talk to Dara because he's very straightforward and very clear about where he wants

Uber to drive to, get the joke, but it's also critically important to understand other issues around AVs like safety and the importance of AI in creating the ability for these cars to do the things they do, which is miraculous in many ways. This is the fourth installment of the Discovery Series on AI, which is

jointly presented by Johns Hopkins University and Vox Media. It was taped live at the Johns Hopkins

University Bloomberg Center in Washington, D.C. Our expert question comes from David Pluff,

who was the campaign manager for Barack Obama's 2008 campaign, a senior advisor to Kamala Harris's

2024 campaign, and a former chief advisor and board member at Uber. Stick around. Support for this show comes from me, Kara Swisher and Johns Hopkins University.

This week, I interviewed Uber CEO Dara Kosherh in the fourth live episode of On with Kara Swisher that I've recorded at the Johns Hopkins

University Bloomberg Center in Washington, D.C. In every episode, I've hosted timely discussions on

AI, policy, copyright, and intellectual property, more as a part of the Hopkins Bloomberg Center's

Discovery series. Listen to my conversation with Kosra Shjee in this week's episode and stay tuned for more

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