Welcome to Curt Affairs.

My name is Nathan Robinson.

I am the editor-chief of Kurt Affairs magazine, and I am completely delighted to be joined today by Richard Wolff.

He has been called America's most prominent Marxist economists by no less than the New York Times.

He is a specialist in making economics intelligible to ordinary people, which he does each week on his syndicated program,

Economic Update. His many books include understanding Marxism, understanding socialism,

understanding capitalism, democracy at work, capitalism hits the fan, and the sickness is the system.

The legendary Noam Chomsky says of Richard Wolfe that his constructive and innovative ideas

suggest new and promising foundations for a much more authentic democracy

and sustainable and equitable development ideas that can be implemented directly and carried

forward. Richard Wolfe, Professor Richard Wolfe, welcome to current affairs. Thank you very much,

Nathan. I'm glad to be here. Now, I noted there that many of your books have the word understanding in the title. You

are, started as an academic economist, but you have in recent years dedicated yourself to helping

ordinary people understand the often confusing and mysterious forces, the economic forces,

that shape their lives. I wondered if we could perhaps start with

some of what you are trying to get people to understand, some broad themes that come out that

you, I'm sure you respect a lot of what ordinary workers perceive about the economy that

perhaps many economists don't perceive, but there has to be a

great deal that ordinary people don't understand about the economic world.

So what is it that you're trying to, when you take someone who doesn't really understand economics,

how are you trying to open their eyes?

What are you trying to show them?

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