There's a test pilot you rarely feel comfortable in the aircraft you fly.

Test pilot school you fly 20 different types.

There's a certain mental approach, it's almost a defensive tactic.

And that helps me a little bit going back to the front line because you can adapt that

when you're conducting some of the trickier operational missions, being able to rely on some of those

techniques that you develop I think probably helped me. Another Sandoval, another Sandoval, Single location.

Roger Hight.

Get you on.

Somebody got hit on the wall.

Get out of here.

Guys, stop being to the turbine!

A lot of me, boys.

Welcome to the fighter pilot podcast the internet show that explores the

fascinating world of air combat the aircraft the weapon systems and

most importantly the people I am the founder and your host Vincent Iello, call sign Jello, and joining me through

the miracle of modern technology is my co-host, Mr. Paul Trammelling. Tremors, welcome

back. Thank you so much for having me, Jello.

It's an absolute pleasure, as always, to be aboard.

Well, you've been on several times now,

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So as long as you're willing, we're going to keep inviting you back.

And we'll talk about today's interview in a moment,

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