And the So, We are joined again by our good friend and brother Dr. Cornell West.

Welcome back to the podcast, Dr. West.

Well, I'm always blessed to be both with you, Sister Jen, and with Red Nation.

Indeed, a very, very special place on the internet and in the communication system, Red Nation.

Well, thanks for joining us.

We have a lot to discuss about your presidential campaign, but also there's a lot going on in the world and I kind of wanted to start with Harvard you know you were at the Harvard Divinity School

recently president Claudine Gay recently the president clodding gay resigned after immense pressure from the you know the

donors at Harvard but also you you know, some people, some nefarious figures in the pro-Zionists or Israel lobby.

But I wanted to go back to your experience at Harvard. I know there was a controversy that had erupted in the

early 2000s with the former president Larry Summers who basically accused

you of not doing scholarship and research while he himself was promoting a sort of

agenda that was suggesting that women didn't hold the same sort of intelligent and cognitive capacities as men.

But I want to hear your thoughts on the recent resigning of Claudine Gay in the midst of this immense backlash

against the Academy especially at the Ivy League's.

Yeah I think one important thing to keep in mind is that these are struggles within the

professional managerial class, so that Harvard, for example, is a ruling class. of Valley who go to the Pentagon to go to State Department and so forth. So it's

fascinating to see it as an intra struggle within the professional

managerial strata of the ruling class. Now for the most part indigenous

people's black folk brown folk we didn't gain access to this space until the

1970s as a result of the mass rebellions, especially the

day that Brother Martin was shot, 12 to over 200 over 200 rebellions.

And so they begin to open their doors.

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