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Hey everybody, it's Neili from The Vergecast.

On this week's interview episode, Verge Senior Transportation Reporter Andrew Hawkins

and I sat down with a lime, co-founder and executive chairman Brad Bow.

You probably know lime, they're one of the big scooter companies that are taking over

our cities with the little electric scooters, they're super fun to ride, I love them.

We talked to Brad about why scooters, why they appeared so suddenly, where they came

from, how he's managing fleets of expensive hardware in cities around the world, what's

next for safety, what's next for the company and importantly, when they come into New York.

That's on The Vergecast interview episode, check it out.

Okay we're here with Brad Bow, who's the co-founder and executive chairman of lime.

Welcome Brad.

Thank you and great to be here.

Very excited to talk about the future of urban mobilities.

Yes, I'm very excited to ask you many questions about scooters because I love them unashamedly

and New York doesn't have them yet so every time I go to a city with them.

We're talking to them now.

Yeah, exactly.

Real quick, I just want to start at the very beginning, you were an investor at Tencent,

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