The presidency isn't profitable enough. I'm gonna go back to farming.

Welcome to Irong about the podcast where everyone gets to be a real American.

Hmm, I don't get it.

So much of this episode is gonna depend on the idea that some people's votes should count for more than others because they're real.

The 30-rock concept of real America. Yes, I got it. Thank you. We got there eventually.

I am Michael Hobb. I'm a reporter for The Huffington Post. I'm Sarah Marshall. I'm working on a book about the satanic panic.

And? And we have a special guest this week, one of our favorite writers.

Should I go ahead and introduce myself then? Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Okay. That's all right. I'm very bad at this part of every podcast.

That's true. That's why we guess we're like, and go, go, we're not gonna tell you.

We're just gonna be silent for the next two hours, Jamel. You just have to take it from here.

My name is Jamel Booey. I'm a calmness with the New York Times.

One of the most enduring pleasures of doing the show is how many of our favorite writers have gotten in touch with us

to say that they are listeners. And that is what Jamel did a couple of weeks ago and we're delighted.

Yeah, no, I love the show. I've been listening. I think I discovered it a lot, like a lot of people

at the beginning of COVID quarantine, everything. I was kind of adding new podcasts to the rotation

and a friend recommended yours. And I promptly kind of just went through the back catalogs.

And so I'm almost caught up. Awesome. It's fun to have a podcast that's basically targeted towards

people in my exact age range, like early to mid 30s. So yeah, that's very weird sandwich position.

We're like, we're simultaneously the elders to one group and the youngsters to another,

which I guess everyone goes through at one time in history or another. But it's annoying.

So we're gonna complain about it. Anxious COVID millennials are our target demo. So thank you for being here.

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