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Hello. Welcome back to Maintenance Phase, the podcast where we talk about health, wellness,

and not Dr. Oz yet. But soon.

So soon. I'm so ready.

You know what's coming. This is what the people want.

Yeah, that's right.

I'm Michael Hobbs. I'm a reporter for The Having a Post and the co-host of another podcast

you're wrong about.

I'm Aubrey Gordon. You might know me as your fat friend. I'm a writer and a columnist

for Self Magazine and I'm a fat lady about town.

A fat lady about town and self.

Yeah, that's right.

I'm a self fat town lady.

That's right. That's how I prefer to be referred to.

Yes.

Can I tell you what we're going to talk about today, Michael?

Yes, please do.

We are going to talk about the Twinkie Defense.

Yes.

What do you know about the Twinkie Defense?

So as a gay man, the thing that you learn about Harvey Milk is he was the first gay person

to hold elected office in the United States, I believe, and he was murdered by his fellow

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