No jumper coolest podcast in the world today. I'm interviewing somebody who has certainly made a very unique mark on this world

I enter banks. How you doing?

How about yourself? Excellent man. Very very excited to have you in here. Yeah, I appreciate it

Yeah, I remember there was one time where you stopped by the store years ago

Yeah, you had like a little

Like a little conference. We just had a conversation about about like what was going on with your shit and

I want to look back at it. I'm like damn I wish I had done the interview then. I know you had said that

You're like let's do the interview now, and I'm like oh that day. Yeah that day. You're like you ready to do it now?

I was like I wanted to but I was like you know what?

I'm gonna get some difference to talk about really back then. I was like you know what?

We're gonna do a cipher and my head was just gonna be the easiest thing I walk in we have like 20 artists lined up back to back

We knock out videos and then I'm like you know what we announced we did a cipher

It'd be way too many artists who wanted to get involved. Oh yeah, no way to thread. Yeah, we actually tried doing that a couple of times

We just had people come to the office and we were live streaming and they would just wrap and we would just stand there and like kind of try to

Judge them or grade them and it was really really weird. Yeah, and us. It's there's got to be a lot more that goes into it than just

Let's do this somebody's always gonna get their feelings hurt

But you know what was interesting I remember when you had their conversation with me is that I realized like oh shit like

This guy's thinking big picture

Yeah, you know

There's a lot of people who might go viral for something one time and you know just sort of let it be

But you definitely like realize the power of the platform that you were already building even early on

Well, I just think with what you do it's so cool because you're not just the interviews

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