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Hello and welcome to the edition podcast from The Spectator, where each week we look at three pieces from the magazine with the writers behind them.

I'm Laura Prendergast, the Spectator's executive editor. And I'm William Moore, the Spectator's Features Editor.

On this week's episode,

we'll be debating the ethics of surrogacy, we'll be learning about our broken food system,

and we'll be discussing the enduring appeal of Holy Grail hunting. First up, in her cover piece for the magazine, journalist Louise Perry writes about the politics of surrogacy and questions whether it is

ethical to separate a newborn child from their surrogate mother. She joins us now, along with Sarah

Jones, head of surrogacy UK, and five times surrogate mother. Louise, could you tell us why you

wanted to write about surrogacy this week?

Well, so it was all triggered by the Law Commission's report, which came out a few weeks ago,

has been in the works for a while, and we have been given some sort of sneak previews of what they were likely to recommend.

And as expected, one of the crucial things that the Law Commission has recommended to Parliament,

the decision obviously now rests with parliamentarians, is that the default parental status of children born to surrogate mothers should be changed.

So at the moment, when a child is born, they're automatically assigned legal parentage of the surrogate mother and her spouse, if she has one, and the intended parents have to go through the process of getting a parental order, which can take several months.

What is being proposed is that that is reversed, so that when the child is born, their legal parents are the intended parents.

And if a surrogate mother changes her mind and doesn't want to relinquish custody,

she has to go through the process of applying for a parental order, which means that there are basically more impediments now for surrogate mothers who change their mind about handing over

the baby. My argument is that

I think that one of the things that's really troubling about surrogacy, I mean, I think a lot of

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