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Best of the Spectator

The Edition: The third wave

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🗓️ 10 June 2021

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Experts are saying we are now officially in a third wave but how concerned should we be? (00:56) Also on the podcast: What will the mood be like when Boris meets Biden (14:33)? And are UFOs no longer a laughing matter?(23:00)

With Scientist Simon Clarke, mathematician Philip Thomas, spokesperson for Republicans Overseas UK Sarah Elliot, Spectator World editor Freddy Gray, astrophysicist Tim O'Brian & author Lawrence Osborne

Presented by Lara Prendergast.

Produced by Cindy Yu, Max Jeffery and Sam Russell.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The Spectator magazine combines incisive political analysis with books and arts reviews of unrivaled authority. Absolutely free. Go to spectator.com.uk forward slash voucher.

0:24.8

Hello and welcome to the edition.

0:27.7

Each week we look at some of the most important and intriguing issues in the week's magazine

0:32.2

with the writers behind them. I'm Laura Prendergast.

0:36.2

This week, many people now say we're in the third wave of

0:39.5

COVID, but how worried should we be? Plus, what will the mood be like as Boris and Biden meet

0:46.4

each other for the first time? And finally, our UFOs now no longer are laughing matter?

0:56.9

First up, many experts say we are now truly in the grips of a third wave.

1:02.5

But what does that mean for our near future?

1:04.8

In our cover story for the magazine this week, mathematician Philip Thomas writes about his

1:09.3

work trying to predict the fallout from the speed of the delta variant.

1:13.3

He joins me now along with Associate Professor in Cellular Microbiology at Reading University, Simon Clark.

1:19.1

Philip, in your piece for the magazine this week, you start by saying that the third wave is here, but that we shouldn't delay our reopening.

1:26.1

Can you start by outlining your argument for listeners?

1:30.4

Yes, indeed.

1:32.0

I've been tracking the R rate for the best part of the last year,

1:38.9

and I've seen it go up and I've seen it go down.

1:41.9

When we started to come out of lockdown for the final time,

1:47.6

what I noticed was that it started rising when we came out of step two. That's the retail opening up,

1:55.5

non-essential so-called retail opening up, on the 12th of April. it started rising at that stage, and it has continued

2:04.8

rising. And it got a bit of a Philip when we moved into step three, the pubs and restaurants

2:11.6

opening, and it continued to rise and went into the critical region above one then, and it has continued rising for the last 14 or so days.

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