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The Edition: Reform’s motherland, Meloni’s Italian renaissance & the adults learning to swim

Best of the Spectator

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🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

First: Nigel Farage is winning over women


Does – or did – Nigel Farage have a woman problem? ‘Around me there’s always been a perception of a laddish culture,’ he tells political editor Tim Shipman. In last year’s election, 58 per cent of Reform voters were men. But, Shipman argues, ‘that has begun to change’. According to More in Common, Reform has gained 14% among women, while Labour has lost 12%. ‘Women are ‘more likely than men… to worry that the country is broken.’


Many of Reform’s most recent victories have been by women: Andrea Jenkyns in the mayoral elections, Sarah Pochin to Parliament; plus, there most recent high profile defections include a former Tory Welsh Assembly member and a former Labour London councillor. What makes Reform’s success with women all the more remarkable is that it appears organic; ‘we haven’t forced this’ says Farage.


So why are women turning to Reform UK? Tim Shipman and Sarah Pochin MP join the podcast to discuss.

 

Next: is Italy experiencing a renaissance?

 

From Italy, Owen Matthews argues that Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has revived her nation. While he says that Italy has been ‘suffering from the same economic malaise’ as the rest of Europe, the macroeconomics covers up the true affordability of the country. Espressos cost €1.20, pizzas are no more than €10, and rents in even the swankiest areas are ‘laughably’ cheap compared to Britain. Plus, Owen sees none of the ‘media catastrophisation’ over issues like immigration, social cohesion and militant Islam that appears to grip the UK. So how has Meloni done it? 


To discuss, Owen joined the podcast alongside Antonello Guerrera, UK & Westminster correspondent for the Italian newspaper Repubblica.


And finally: one in three British adults cannot swim


This week, Iram Ramzan provides her ‘notes on’ learning to swim saying, ‘it’s humiliating to admit that at 37’ she can’t. She’s not alone though – one third of British adults cannot swim, and the proportion appears to be rising. Iram highlights the disparities between different communities; 76 percent of South Asian women for example cannot swim 25 metres. Iram joined the podcast to discuss further, alongside fitness professional and entrepreneur Elle Linton who also learnt to swim in her thirties.


Plus: what small error led Rachel Johnson to get a telling off from Noel Gallagher? And Max Jeffery reports from court, where the Spectator and Douglas Murray have won a defamation claim brought against them by Mohammed Hijab. 


Hosted by William Moore and Lara Prendergast.


Produced by Patrick Gibbons.

Transcript

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0:51.3

Hello and welcome to the edition podcast from The Spectator, where each week we shed a little light on the thought process behind putting the world's oldest weekly magazine to bed.

0:55.9

I'm Laura Prendergars, the Spectators Executive Editor. And I'm William Moore,

1:01.5

the Spectators Features Editor. On this week's podcast, why women are turning to reform, how Georgia Maloney has revived Italy, and the trials and tribulations of learning to swim as an adult.

1:18.5

Music as an adult. First up, why are women turning to reform?

1:22.1

Throughout Nigel Farage's political career,

1:24.3

journalists have often asked him if he has a woman problem. While the leader of

1:28.9

Reform UK has acknowledged that there has always been a perception of a laddish culture around him,

1:34.1

our political editor Tim Shipman writes in this week's cover piece that Reform are now leading a march

1:39.6

of the Mums. So what's behind this change? To discuss, we were joined by Tim, as well as the Reform

1:46.0

MP for Uncorn, Sarah Pochin. I started by asking Tim if Farage was ever as laddish as people

1:52.1

thought. I think it's one that the man himself accepts. I mean, he joked with me that

1:57.6

when he was accosted during the local election campaign, somewhere in the

2:02.2

Midlands, some cheeky journalist said, you know, Nigel, do you have a woman problem? And after two

2:07.5

marriages, four kids, he said, God yes, I've had 40 years of it. And he admits that, you know,

2:13.4

UKIP was the rugby club on tour. You know, however did we get this blocish image? I'll never know, you know, as he lifts another pint and smokes another cigar.

2:21.8

So, you know, of course he acknowledges that.

2:24.5

But I think this, what's going on now is very interesting that women voters are flocking to reform in their droves.

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