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The Edition: Nigel wants YOU, secularism vs spirituality & how novel is experimental fiction?

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🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

How Reform plans to win


Just a year ago, Nigel Farage ended his self-imposed exile from politics and returned to lead Reform. Since then, Reform have won more MPs than the Green Party, two new mayoralties, a parliamentary by-election, and numerous councils. Now the party leads in every poll and, as our deputy political editor James Heale reveals in our cover article, is already planning for government.


The party’s chair, tech entrepreneur Zia Yusuf, describes the movement as a ‘start-up’; and like a start-up, Reform is scaling up at speed. Among the 676 councillors elected last month, a number are considered more than ready to stand as MPs. James also interviewed Reform’s deputy leader, the MP Richard Tice, who said that the Reform movement cannot be thought of within the traditional left-right political spectrum.


James joined the podcast to discuss further; you can also hear an extract from his interview with Richard. (1:01)


Next: are young people turning to religion?


A recent survey by the UK’s Bible Society has found that over the past six years, Church attendance has risen by 50 per cent. There are signs that this is being driven by younger people – why are Gen Z turning to religion? A new book by Lamorna Ash, Don’t Forget We’re Here Forever: A New Generation’s Search For Religion, seeks to answer this question and is reviewed in the magazine this week by Rupert Shortt.


To unpack this potential Church revival, Rupert – the author of The Eclipse of Christianity and Why It Matters – joined the podcast, alongside Georgia Clarke, director of youth ministry at St Elizabeth of Portugal Roman Catholic Church in London. (21:25)


And finally: is experimental fiction truly novel?


Philip Hensher writes in the magazine this week about the modern trend of ‘experimental literature’. For Philip, not only do these novels have incredibly rigid rules, but they are far from ‘experimental’ as he feels many of their components aren’t truly new.


To discuss further, Philip – who has been writing his own history of the novel – joined the podcast, alongside Simon Okotie. Simon, author of The Future of the Novel, is also a judge for the Goldsmiths Prize, which awards a novel which ‘breaks the mould or extends the possibilities of the novel form’. (33:11)


Plus: extracts from Tanya Gold’s article on selling bathwater (17:54) and Madeline Grant’s on the decline of period dramas (19:35).


Hosted by William Moore and Lara Prendergast.


Produced by Patrick Gibbons.


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Hello and welcome to the edition podcast from The Spectator,

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where each week we shed a little light on the thought process behind putting the world's oldest weekly magazine to bed.

0:39.0

I'm William Moore, the Spectator's Features Editor.

0:41.6

And I'm Laura Prendergars, the Spectator's Executive Editor.

0:45.4

On this week's podcast, we ask, what is Reform's plan for power?

0:50.0

Are we witnessing a religious revival amongst the young?

0:53.1

And what is truly novel about experimental fiction?

1:01.6

It is only a year on from Nigel Farage's decision to stand for Parliament

1:06.5

and to return as the leader of Reform UK.

1:10.6

Since then, Reform has of course won five MPs, a parliamentary by-election, two mayoralties and control of many local councils. Not bad going, but what's next in the party's sites.

1:23.3

James Heel, our deputy political editor, writes this week's cover piece about Reform's plans for power.

1:29.8

And he joined me to talk about his article a little further, as well as introduce a extract from an interview he conducted this week with Reform's deputy leader Richard Tice.

1:41.2

I started by asking James what, after Reform's rise, could be next for the party.

1:47.2

Well, over the summer, they're going to see a number of different sort of announcements and

1:51.0

policies plan, but really, I think the next big focus is going to be about Wales and Scotland

1:56.1

and those big local elections next year. Reform done remarkably well, winning 677 of 1642 council wards up for election last month.

2:06.9

But the next challenge is going to be much bigger in terms of more than 3,000 wards up for election next May.

2:13.0

And obviously, Scotland and Wales too.

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