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Hello and welcome to the edition podcast from The Spectator, where each week we look at three pieces from the magazine with the writers behind them.

I'm Laura Brenda Gars, the Spectators, executive editor.

On this week's episode, we'll be discussing Rishi Sunak's revelations in the magazine about the

lockdown decisions that were made behind closed doors. Plus, from aid to trade, when will the

West deal with Africa on its own terms? And finally, are Hansi yoga teachers a real problem?

First up, for the cover of this week's magazine, Fraser Nelson interviewed Rishi Sunak,

who revealed to him his side of the lockdown story for the first time.

Fraser joins me now, along with Katie Balls, our Deputy Political Editor, and Kate Andrews, our economics editor.

Fraser, your interview with Rishi Sunnet this week has somewhat reignited the debate about lockdown.

What do you think is the most incendiary thing that he told you?

Well, throughout lockdown, we picked up things off the record the whole time about what was being said and what wasn't being said in Whitehall.

It was a time of, it's quite difficult for journalists, actually, because it was at a time where if you criticise the government or the doxy, you were accused of letting people die, etc.

And of course, this kind of has dilemmas for journalists.

People want to be responsible in their reporting.

But from quite an early stage, the spectator found space for minority voices.

And pretty soon we found out that the minority voices were not just fringe science characters.

That there were people in government who were saying something's going badly wrong here.

That this lockdown, which was introduced for three weeks to start with, was being pushed through

without cabinet members being told what was going on. And when they were asking what was going on,

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