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Hello and welcome to the edition. I'm William Moore, the Spectators Features Editor.

Today on the podcast, we'll be looking at Taiwan, the return of party gate and the rising price of restaurants.

First, I'm joined by Ian Williams, the author of The Fire of the Dragon, China's New Cold War,

and Alicia Patelano, Professor of War and Strategy in East Asia at King's College London,

to talk about how the war in Ukraine has changed the thinking in Taiwan.

Ian, in the magazine this week, you write about the lessons that Taiwan has learned from

the war in Ukraine.

Could you just briefly summarize for our listeners what some of those lessons are?

And has Taiwan's defense strategy changed since the war started?

I think it's been a real wake-up call for Taiwan because

they've always had what they would call that faced grey warfare, grey zone warfare, whether this

is disinformation, cyber attacks, constant intimidation by Chinese forces flying in towards the island or ships towards the island

exercises from the PLA. But this has become as a real wake-up call because it's an autocracy

trying to snuff out a local democracy in Europe and this resonates with the Taiwanese.

And it comes at a time when there's been considerable

debate within Taiwan over the future of their defense, over how they best would repulse any

Chinese invasion. And they'd already come to a conclusion that you can't match China, fighter by fighter,

ship by ship, submarine by submarine. It's simply not possible because the Chinese have too much money to spend. The PLA is too powerful.

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