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Hello and welcome to the edition podcast from The Spectator.

I'm William Moore, the Spectator's Features Editor,

and the latest issue of the magazine has just gone off stone.

To talk about what's inside it, I'm delighted to be joined by Madeline Grant,

the Spectator's assistant editor, Tim Shipman, our political editor,

and the writer of this week's diary,

Kwasi Kortang, the former Tory MP and Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Maddie, let's start to begin by talking about your superb cover piece, indecent proposal. marriage is the real rebellion. First of all,

why do you think at this moment marriage needs to be defended? Well, I think it's sort of under

attack from different sides of politics from different reasons. There's obviously that old kind of,

I mean, I would consider myself a feminist, but there's a

particular kind of very left-wing feminism that says that marriage is a kind of serfdom and bonded

that kind of only benefit men. And then on the other side, you have this, I would call it,

kind of red pill view of marriage, which is like the Andrew Tate sort of narrative you hear

on the internet right from time to time, which basically says,

don't do it, guys, you'll get rinsed in a divorce, women are evil, better to keep your money.

And I think it often goes hand in hand with, well, I don't know, I think a culture in which

you have greater use of, you have porn saturation, you have the often dehumanizing experience

of dating online and dating on apps. So in this environment, I do think that it's important

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