I think we see the world through the language of dead things.

The language of economics perceives the world through the language of dead things.

And we have in that purpose also killed ourselves, made ourselves dead things.

So there's a there's a re understanding of the world and we can only free ourselves

if we perceive the agency of others.

For the wild is honored to present the edges in the middle, a series of conversations

between bio-comalife and thought companions like John A. Powell, V, Naomi Klein and more.

These limited episodes have been adapted from bio's work as the global senior fellow

at UC Berkeley's othering and belonging institute.

In this role, bio has been holding a series of public conversations on issues of justice

and belonging for the institute's democracy and belonging forum, which connects and

resources civic leaders in Europe and the US who are committed to bridging across differences

to strengthen democracy and advance belonging in both regions and around the world.

Bio's conversations encourage us to rethink justice, hope and belonging by setting emits

the noise, not trying to cover it up with pleasant rhythms.

To learn more about the democracy and belonging forum, visit democracyandbelongingforum.org.

This recording features bio's conversation with Indy Johar, who is the founding director

of 00 and dark matter labs based in the UK and architect by training he is a senior innovation

associate with the Young Foundation and a visiting professor at the University of Sheffield.

He is a thought leader in system change, the future of urban infrastructure finance,

outcome based investment and the future of governance.

Good evening from Chennai, India.

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