The Ed Miliband Reunion One
Political Thinking with Nick Robinson
BBC
4.6 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 4 June 2021
⏱️ 45 minutes
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The Shadow Business Secretary and former Labour leader on thinking ‘big’, standing against his brother and emergency-charging his electric car
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. |
| 0:05.2 | It used to be regarded as one of the golden rules of politics that you never appoint anybody |
| 0:10.2 | to give you independent advice if you're Prime Minister, if you don't already know what |
| 0:14.4 | they're going to say. |
| 0:16.0 | The whole point of independent reports is to give third party credibility to what you've |
| 0:21.5 | already decided to do. |
| 0:23.9 | So it was all those years ago that Gordon Brown appointed a banker called Derek Wondluss |
| 0:29.8 | to say that what the National Health Service needed was a whole lot more money and to say |
| 0:36.0 | how it should be paid for. |
| 0:38.2 | At the time it rather surprised me that they'd appointed Wondluss after all who was he. |
| 0:43.4 | It turns out that they'd done market research in which they'd asked voters what type of person |
| 0:49.3 | they would find credible arguing for an increase in taxes in order to pay for the health service, |
| 0:55.5 | a banker in those days before the banking crisis came out top. |
| 1:01.7 | Someone who managed your money would be credible arguing that you should give more of it to |
| 1:06.9 | pay for the NHS. |
| 1:09.5 | Why am I reminding you of this story from so long ago? |
| 1:13.3 | Well, what was Boris Johnson thinking when he appointed Sir Kevin Collins to be his catch-up |
| 1:19.3 | czar without first working out what Sir Kevin might be in favour of and working out whether |
| 1:25.5 | he was in favour of it too? |
| 1:28.0 | There were until three reasons that the Treasury said no to Sir Kevin's plans, meaning that |
| 1:33.8 | one minute they were discussing a 10 to 15 billion pound in Whitehall and the next they're |
| 1:39.3 | unveiling one worth scarcely more than a billion. |
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