What's up, everybody? My name is Demetri Gaffinus, and you're listening to Hidden Forces,

a podcast that inspires investors, entrepreneurs, and everyday citizens, the challenge consensus

narratives, and learn how to think critically about the systems of power shaping our world.

My guest in this episode of Hidden Forces is chief operating officer at

research firm China-Bash book Shazad Kazi. Shazad was last on the podcast more than two years

ago to discuss the post-COVID reopening of the Chinese economy. I asked him back on the podcast

today to discuss the preliminary impact Trump's tariffs have had on U.S. and Chinese

businesses and on their respective economies, stock markets, and currencies. We also discuss

whether the action plan to revitalize consumption that was recently announced by the Chinese

State Council and CPC Central Committee represents a more determined effort by Beijing to ignite a flywheel

of endogenous demand for Chinese output should the country's export sector become priced

out of critical markets in the U.S. and Europe.

I also ask Shazade about Trump's stated desire to do a deal with China, what such a deal would look like,

how big it could be, and what concessions either side is prepared to make in order to get it done.

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And with that, please enjoy this timely and informative conversation with my guest, Shazad Khazi.

Shazad Khazi, welcome back to Hidden Forces.

Hey, thanks for having me back on, Dimitri.

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