Hey everybody and welcome to a totally killer wild ride with Stevo.

If you've listened to this podcast at all, odds are you've heard me rave about how much I love true crime.

And my favorite television show is the first 48.

It follows homicide detectives as they investigate cases.

And man, I was in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I got in touch with the lieutenant of the homicide

division of Tulsa, Oklahoma.

These guys work pretty much exclusively in front of the homicide division of Tulsa, Oklahoma. These guys work pretty much exclusively in front of the

cameras of the A&E network, always recording the show. The cameramen and women are on call, just like the

homicide detectives are. And man, this was such a humongous treat for me. I learned so much

that I didn't know. And man, I hope you enjoy this one as much as I did. Let's get into it.

Ladies and gentlemen, people of the universe, I bring to you an actual American hero, the

lieutenant of the Tulsa Homicide Unit and star of the first 48 TV show, Brandon Watkins.

Thanks.

I don't know about Hero, but I'll take it.

Well, I mean, Heroes Save Lives.

I guess you're not saving lives.

Yeah, we're coming in.

They're already dead once we get there, so unfortunately.

Right. Now, thank you so much for doing this. I'm a rabid fan of true crime. I've literally been watching the first 48

for all 21 years now. I mean, it came out in 2004. It's been 20 years of this TV show. How long have

you been in the force? Oh, I've been on the

force, uh, it'll be 28 years in July. So, uh, and I've been in the homicide unit for since

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