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In rising to power and holding onto it, the Tudors owed a great debt to another family, the Dudleys. The Dudleys helped the Tudor dynasty soar to greatness, and sometimes its members paid the ultimate price. Riannon Davis spoke to Dr.

Joanne Paul, the author of The House of Dudley, about the family's dizzying rise and deadly fall.

So to start us off then, can you briefly introduce us to the key players in the Dudley family during the Tudor dynasty?

Yeah, my book really looks at three sort of three and a half generations of the Dudley family. And I suppose there is

a key figure, as you say, that we associate with each one of those generations. So I start with Edmund Dudley, who was a minister of

Henry the 7th. His son was John Dudley, often known as the Duke of Northumberland,

who rises in the court of Henry the 8th, becomes very important in the court of Edward the 6th. And then, of course,

his son, in turn, is Robert Dudley, Earl of Lester, the favorite of Elizabeth I first. And he's the

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