All right, everybody. Welcome back to another edition of the Untitled Jeff Gluck podcast.

I'm your host Jeff Gluck, and today it's one of the Driven Life series.

This time it's with Ryan Priest of JTG Doherty Racing.

You probably know Ryan Priest is a rookie in the Cup series this year

after he parlayed some great runs in the Joe Gibbs Racing Xfinity Series equipment into

a full-time ride. But he didn't even get that Joe Gibbs Racing ride without having to

invest in himself and bet on himself literally by taking out

a loan. And that's why I wanted to talk to him about today because sometimes people in order to get

to where they are, seems like they've got to make a big bet on themselves or gamble on themselves

if they have that confidence to do it. And Ryan Priest is the shining example of that.

So I want to talk to him about that.

Maybe that will inspire some people out there to do the same if they're in a situation

where they feel like they want to make a big leap or something like that.

So let's jump right into what Ryan Priest had to say.

All right, everybody.

I'm here with Ryan Priest.

And Ryan, thanks so much for agreeing to

chat. I appreciate it. No problem. So obviously, it's kind of well documented that you kind of had to

take a risk and take a big bet on yourself to advance your career. Can you can you sort of back up and talk about like your mentality at the time?

Like when you were trying to make this decision or trying to break through,

um,

like did you feel like this was by far the clear option for you or did you have other

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