The Dream Makers
The Documentary Podcast
BBC
4.3 • 2.7K Ratings
🗓️ 23 February 2026
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
In Christopher Nolan’s 2010 blockbuster Inception, Leonardo DiCaprio’s protagonist is paid to implant an idea into a target’s subconscious. If you look the film up, its genre is listed as being ‘science fiction’ - but could that soon have to be revised?
Dream engineering is an experimental new field - with scientists, dream researchers and engineers pursuing the goal of influencing our thoughts as we sleep.
For some, the idea holds the promise of a bright future, with benefits for our memories, creativity and wellbeing.
On the other hand, though, the ethical issues it causes amid the unregulated world of an emerging technology have led to warnings of a future where our very dreams could be for sale.
Presenter: Anand Jagatia Producer: Dan Welsh
With special thanks to The MIT Museum, Seth Riskin, The Woodberry Poetry Room at Harvard Library, The Trustees of the E. E. Cummings Trust, Dr. Suzanne Fairless-Aitken at Bloodaxe Books
Credits: Tomas Tranströmer, New Collected Poems, tr. Robin Fulton (Bloodaxe Books, 2011) E. E. Cummings, Xaipe (W W Norton & Co Inc, 1997)
In The Dream Makers, Anand Jagatia investigates the fascinating potential and developing concerns over what the future of dream engineering could hold.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service. I'm Ann Ann Jagatia, and this is the Dreammakers. |
| 0:30.5 | We're going to explore an exciting new field of sleep science. |
| 0:38.2 | When the water recedes, finally, I climb down from the roof and walk across the street. |
| 0:41.5 | Fish are flopping on the glistening pavement. |
| 0:44.6 | All the cars lie upside down. |
| 0:46.8 | This is a dream. |
| 0:50.3 | It's pretty strange, as dreams often are. |
| 0:56.4 | The houses, the ones still standing, sag in the middle, waterlogged. |
| 1:00.6 | The sound of dripping and gurgling is almost deafening. |
| 1:08.0 | But this dream is particularly unusual, not because of its content, but because of where it came from. |
| 1:09.3 | As I climb over a downed tree, something catches my eye. |
| 1:14.2 | Dangling from a branch, a long, iridescent snake skin, |
| 1:18.7 | shimmers in the morning light. |
| 1:21.3 | I drape it around my neck, scarf-like, and keep walking. |
| 1:27.1 | These visions are from the mind of an artist called Will. |
| 1:31.3 | But they didn't simply come to him in the night. |
| 1:34.5 | Instead, before he went to sleep, he decided what he wanted to dream about. |
| 1:40.0 | He planted a seed inside his subconscious and let it flower in his mind. |
| 1:46.6 | My name is Will Dowd, and I am a writer and artist from the Boston area. |
| 1:52.7 | I would also say that at this point, I'm probably a quasi-professional dreamer. |
| 1:59.0 | I started to wonder if I could program my dreams with literature. |
| 2:04.4 | And so that was the experiment I did. |
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